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INTERVENTION (5x18)

A review by Mikelangelo "MikeJer" Marinaro

Writer(s): Jane Espenson
Director: Michael Gershman
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In a nutshell, "Intervention" is set up to be an all out laugh-fest and while it is very funny, there's also a surprising amount of substance present as well. With that said, however, it's also got some problems which is honestly a shame. I really want to give "Intervention" a better score, but one thing in particular is holding me back: how the Scoobies react to the BuffyBot. This is a significant flaw and represents a rare time when characters are acting, well, out of character and is something I'll go into more in a bit. Besides that and some other smaller issues, this is a winner. From much more self discovery by Buffy to Spike going all the way for Buffy to just the overall humor, I thoroughly enjoyed myself. "Intervention" has both big character revelance and big laughs while still managing to keep a little dark undertone that hints of what's to come.

The opening scene between Buffy and Giles really captures the main point of the episode. We see Giles keeping frequent checks on how Buffy is doing and gets Buffy to admit things are a bit better now that her and Dawn have found a routine. In times of tragedy, routine is always a great way to help temporarily lose some of the pain of loss. But when Giles asks Buffy about starting up her training again there's much hesitation--there's just too much on her mind and she isn't ready yet.

This leads to her coming out with her ultimate worry and verbalizes it by saying, "I'm starting to feel like being the Slayer is turning me into stone." This gets her spilling her entire case (which she's obviously been thinking a lot about) to Giles. Riley's departure plays heavily into her consideration and says, "Just think about it. I was never there for Riley. Not like I was for Angel. I was terrible to Dawn ... Riley left because I was shut down. He's gone. And now my mom is gone, and I loved her more than anything. And I don't know if she knew ... To slay, to kill. It means being hard on the inside. Maybe being the perfect Slayer means being too hard to love at all." This is a fantasic question from Buffy, and one which is answered later in the episode but not at all understood until The Gift (5x22). The questions brought up here reverberate throughout the entire four-part finale.

All this talk leads Giles to help Buffy embark on the Spirit Quest, which in presentation at least is fairly cliche and bland. It makes up for this by providing a chilling piece of unique meaning for Buffy and linking itself thematically with Buffy's dream in Restless (4x22), of which she even remembers herself. Remember "You think you what's to come? You haven't even begun.?" Well, she's been learning all season and will finally know what all this adds up to in The Gift (5x22). The appearance of what looks like the First Slayer tightens this connection even more. The Spirit Guide tells Buffy some intriguing and haunting stuff when she asks it "What about love. Not just boyfriend love."

But what does it all mean? Well, Buffy's understably quite confused about the response she gets, so I'll help explain with my mystical retrospective abilities. The Guide tells her "love is pain and the Slayer forges strength from pain." This is something Buffy should already know through her experiences being the Slayer. Big life-changing experiences such as the events of, but not limited to: Prophecy Girl (1x12), Innocence (2x14), Becoming Pt. 2 (2x22), The Prom (3x20), The Harsh Light of Day (4x03), Into the Woods (5x10), and The Body (5x16). The pain Buffy has been through has made her a tremendously stronger person than she was in the beginning of the series; a much more experienced, intelligent, mature, and stronger person.

This is why the Spirit Guide (SG, not to be confused with Security Group, which only I would do so just ignore me) tells her "You are full of love. You love with all your soul. It's brighter than the fire, blinding. That's why you pull away from it." Buffy responds, "I'm full of love? I'm not losing it?" The SG comes back, "Only if you reject it ... Love. Give. Forgive. Risk the pain. It is your nature. For it will bring you to your gift." It's at this point when Buffy understably completely misses the point. She says, "Okay, no. Death is not a gift. My mother just died, I know this. If I have to kill demons because it makes the world a better place, then I kill demons. But it's not a gift to anybody." As we know, the SG meant that her death in the aptly named The Gift (5x22) is is her gift--a gift of pure love to the world, all her friends, and family, specifically Dawn.

The SG also tells her three vital words: love, give, and forgive, which already has an affect on her by the end of this episode, but an even bigger one in the finale. This is very heavy thematic development and it rounds out Buffy's season-long exploration of what it means to be the Slayer, even though she doesn't fully know it until The Gift (5x22). Amazing writing here, just amazing. This is a huge chunk of foreshadowy goodness. One change Buffy makes right away is in her attitude to Spike after what he does for her and Dawn. So then lets talk about Spike!

Ah, Spike and the BuffyBot: short lived and surprisingly hilarious. I just can't help but be amused by SMG's chipper acting of the BuffyBot, which I'd think she probably loved playing in contrast to all the sad stuff happening. The BuffyBot is simply the pure embodiment of what Spike wants from the real, "not so pleasant," Buffy even though it's obvious the bot is a poor substitution that I bet even Spike would bore of fairly quickly. Like Warren before him, Spike doesn't just want a sex toy (although Spike doesn't necessarily want "the perfect girl" either), he wants something that emulates the real thing: "She looks good, but what about the rest? A little walk, a little talk... perhaps a zippy cartwheel..." He even has her programmed to slay vampires! Of particular interest in some of the dialogue they share. The BuffyBot says, "You're evil ... It excites me. It terrifies me. I try so hard to resist you, and I can't." Spike replies, "You know I can't bite you." The BuffyBot comes back, "I think you can. I think you can if I let you. And I want to let you. I want you to bite me and devour me until there's no more."

There's a lot going on here. Spike wants something that's afraid of him just a bit, but that revels in that fear and lets it sexually excite them. Curiously, he also wants to feel that exact same way. When the BuffyBot hops on top of him, tears his shirt off, and puts a stake outside his heart, he's getting off on the fear. All this tells me is that he wants a mate that is an equal to him--someone that can stand up to him and fight back, both with words and physical strength. He doesn't want Harmony, who is weak, annoying, and far too accomodating. As he says in Crush (5x14), he wants "Heat. Desire." This is why the BuffyBot is programmed the way it is and isn't just a helpless sex bot--heck, that was Harmony. Spike wants "no programs. Just be Buffy."

Buffy's situation and Spike's situation line up at the end of the episode. Spike lets himself be tortured and beat to such a bloody pulp that even Xander has sympathy for him, and that's saying a lot. When Buffy, dressed up as the BuffyBot, confronts him on whether or not he told Glory about the Key she discovers that he truthfully did not and would have died with that knowledge. With Buffy learning from the SG earlier to "Love. Give. Forgive," she gives Spike that nugget of hope he wanted in Crush (5x14), only here he genuinely deserves it. Buffy, the real Buffy, kisses Spike as gratitude for his heroic behavior. It's telling that Spike can recognize almost immediate that this is not the BuffyBot, but the real thing. Buffy nails it when she tells him, " The robot is gone. The robot was gross and obscene ... That thing... it wasn't even real... What you did, for me and Dawn... that was real. I won't forget it." Wow!

Moving onto the plot front, we find out that apparently Ben is getting stronger, which thankfully helps explain why Glory hasn't been appearing as much. Glory's four episode absence is still too much after what the Scoobies did to her in Blood Ties (5x13). It seems really odd to me that Glory would just be putting together the pieces now and not much ealier. I have to say that this is one of the season's few problems.

As for the rest of this episode, though, we get Dawn stealing a necklace from friends, which is kind of silly for her age. The one biggest thing that bothered me in the entire thing and what robs it of some good pointage is Willow's initial chat with the BuffyBot. It quickly becomes unbelievably obvious that what Willow is talking to is not really Buffy. The same group that got together and unanimously agreed "robot" with the AprilBot is completely dumbfounded by the BuffyBot. That unfortunately reeks of poor writing, as much as I hate to say it. This problem alone costed the episode 5, maybe 10 points. Aside from the one glaring flaw, "Intervention" is an excellent episode that really caps Buffy's season-long journey, furthers the plot arc of the season, and moves Buffy and Spike's relationship into an entirely new realm. Overall I'm an extremely happy camper and really wish I could have graded it higher. Regardless, let the four-part finale commence!


- Minor Pros/Cons (+/-)
+  Giles is cooking for Buffy and Dawn!
+  How quickly Spike is pleased by the BuffyBot. "She'll do."
+  Giles' hokey pokey ritual in the desert. "And that's what it's all about." Hilarious.
+  Xander and Anya catching what they think is Buffy having sex with Spike.
+  Glory's minions think Spike is the Key. haha.
+  The Bob Barker lines. What make them so funny is that that Glory and all her minions know who he is.
-  Clunky, sluggish, and overall unimpressive fight scene at Glory's mansion.

-Foreshadowing
  • The spirit guide tells Buffy, "love will bring you to your gift" and that "death is your gift." Both of these phrases play heavily in the upcoming episodes, but especially in The Gift (5x22).

- Quotes
BUFFY:   Training. Slaying. All of it. It's just. I mean. I can beat up the demons until the cows come home. And then I can beat up the cows.

GILES:   Buffy...
BUFFY:   I love you. Love, love, love, love. Giles, it feels strange!
GILES:   I shouldn't wonder... how serious are you about this?
BUFFY:   10? Serious to the amount of 10?

GILES:   I'll have to perform a ritual to transfer my guardianship of you, temporarily, to a guide.
BUFFY:   A guide, but not food or water. So it leads me to the sacred place, and then a week later it leads you to my bleached bones?
GILES:   Buffy, please. It takes more than a week to bleach bones.
BUFFY:   So, how's it start?
GILES:   I, uh, jump out of the circle and I jump back in it and um (reluctantly) I shake my Gourd.
BUFFY:   I know this ritual! The ancient shamans were next called upon to do the hokey pokey and turn themselves around!
:   (Giles does the ritual.)
BUFFY:   And that's what it's all about.

BUFFYBOT:   Time to slay. Vampires of the world be-ware!

SPIKE:   Hey there, wait up!
BUFFYBOT:   Spike! It's Spike. And he's wearing a coat!

SPIKE:   I'm not a monster.
XANDER:   Yes! You are a monster! Vampires are monsters, they make monster movies about them!
SPIKE:   Well, yeah, you got me there.

WILLOW:   Um, Buffy, this thing with Spike, it isn't true, is it? You didn't, you know, sleep with Spike?
BUFFYBOT:   No. I had sex with Spike. I'm sorry if it bothers you. You're my best friend.
WILLOW:   ...So just this one time you just did something kinda crazy.
BUFFYBOT:   It wasn't one time. It was lots of times. And lots of different ways. I can make sketches!
WILLOW:   No!

WILLOW:   Buffy! Something's seriously wrong here! Okay, yeah you've been with a vampire before, but Angel had a soul!
BUFFYBOT:   Angel's lame. His hair sticks straight up and he's bloody stupid.

GLORY:   What the hell is that [Spike], and why is its hair that color?
JINX:   Stunning one, we believe he is... the Key!
GLORY:   Really? That's fantabulous. And impossible! He can't be the Key. 'Cause you see the Key has to be pure. This is a vampire. Lesson Number One: Vampire equals Impure.
SPIKE:   Damn right I'm impure! I'm as impure as the driven yellow snow.

ANYA:   We're just kinda thrown by the you-having-sex-with-Spike.
BUFFY:   The who whatting how with huh?
ANYA:   Okay, that's denial. That usually comes before Anger.
BUFFY:   I am not having sex with Spike!
ANYA:   Anger.
XANDER:   No one is judging you. It's understandable. Spike is strong and mysterious and sorta compact but well muscled.
BUFFY:   I am not having sex with Spike! But I'm starting to think that you might be!

BUFFYBOT:   Say, look at you [Buffy]! You look just like me! We're very pretty.

BUFFY:   Listen Skirt Girl, we are not going to save him [Spike]. We're going to kill him. He knows who the Key is and there's no way he's not telling.
BUFFYBOT:   You're right. He's evil. But... you should see him naked! I mean, really.

SPIKE:   Yeah, okay. The Key. Here's the thing. It's that guy, on tv. What's his name?
GLORY:   On the television?
SPIKE:   On that show? The price show? Where they guess what stuff costs?
MINION:   The Price is Right?
JINX:   Bob Barker!
MINION:   We will bring you the limp and beaten body of Bob Barker!
GLORY:   It is not Bob Barker, you scabby morons! The key is new to this world and Bob Barker is as old as grit.

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Score
85 /100
B+
Just misses the mark of excellence. Essentially, a great episode that's rough around the edges and/or slightly flawed. Extremely fun to watch.

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- Comments (38)

1.misplacedsanity  Jan 13 2007
I understand your issues with the Scoobies reaction to the Buffybot, but I see it as necessary plot-device in order to facilitate the comedy gold that follows. I know its not true to form, but I'll forgive them almost anything that will allow the line "The who whatting how with huh?"

2.Dingdongalistic  Jan 13 2007
I have to agree with your comment that the characterisation is sometimes surprisingly sloppy in the episode. That's partly why I've always felt that it is very overrated. It's nice for a bit of light relief, and the insights into Buffy's character is great, as well as the Buffybot's visual image (The line "gay: 2000-present" never fails to amuse me), but it really isn't up to the standard of the episodes around it.

3.pjc  Jan 14 2007
I just love it I'm sorry. I was too busy laughing to criticise the bot sub-plot

4.Rick  Jan 14 2007
Jane Espenson writes a lot of eps with great humour and particular moments, but seems to struggle in constructing a solid script in all departments. This is a funny episode, with good pace thematic developments (which I feel might be Joss) and one of my favourite all-time scenes in the seven seasons. ("That was real." That is fantastic writing, which conveys gratitude in the most respectful and Buffy way possible...it must be Joss too.)

5.AeC  Jan 14 2007
Just a slight tangent here, but it's 2007 now. When you keep dating your updates on the main page 2006, it makes me think you've been slacking for the past year.

6.mikejer  Jan 14 2007
AeC: thanks for the heads up on that. It should be fixed now. :)

7.Dingdongalistic  Jan 16 2007

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Jane Espenson writes a lot of eps with great humour and particular moments, but seems to struggle in constructing a solid script in all departments. This is a funny episode, with good pace thematic developments (which I feel might be Joss) and one of my favourite all-time scenes in the seven seasons. ("That was real." That is fantastic writing, which conveys gratitude in the most respectful and Buffy way possible...it must be Joss too.)
I personally think "Afterlife" is the script in which she manages to be standout in all departments. I think "Intervention" is one which is more flawed in many areas. It's got some good areas, such as the important scenes for the season, and some mindlessly funny bits, but the characterisation is seriously flawed.

8.Tobias Drake  Jan 18 2007
I don't really have any issues with the Scoobies' reaction to the Buffybot. We can tell automatically that it's not Buffy because we know there is a Buffybot. They, however, do not know this. The only robot they've seen in recent memory (not counting Ted) is the Aprilbot, and for all they know, Warren came to realize why what he had done was wrong and wouldn't do it again.

They don't have any reason to assume Warren would build a robot of Buffy. And they don't know anyone else who could build a robot of Buffy. Nobody that Buffy knows has the skill to build a robot of Buffy, so as far as they're concerned, Buffy being a robot isn't an option at the moment.

Besideswhich, Buffy's mom just died. If Buffy's acting really strange and seems like she's snapped, there's good reason for it. There is logical reason to assume that the Buffybot is actually Buffy.

9.Dingdongalistic  Jan 18 2007

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I don't really have any issues with the Scoobies' reaction to the Buffybot. We can tell automatically that it's not Buffy because we know there is a Buffybot. They, however, do not know this. The only robot they've seen in recent memory (not counting Ted) is the Aprilbot, and for all they know, Warren came to realize why what he had done was wrong and wouldn't do it again.

They don't have any reason to assume Warren would build a robot of Buffy. And they don't know anyone else who could build a robot of Buffy. Nobody that Buffy knows has the skill to build a robot of Buffy, so as far as they're concerned, Buffy being a robot isn't an option at the moment.

Besideswhich, Buffy's mom just died. If Buffy's acting really strange and seems like she's snapped, there's good reason for it. There is logical reason to assume that the Buffybot is actually Buffy.
Yes, but the point isn't to do with practical issues such as who would have constructed the Buffybot and whatnot, so much as the fact that they've seen a bot only a few episodes back, and Buffybot acts and talks in exactly the same way, and they don't get it at all. I would understand it if they'd made the connection immediately but dismissed it because of the closer connection to home, but the fact that they could honestly not spot any connection to recent events is absurd.

Apart from this, the Scoobies have no reason to dismiss Warren, as they've never been given any reason to believe that he was trustworthy, and nor were they given any reason to think he wouldn't do it again.

It's right that Buffy is expected to be acting differently to normal, but for them not to see the connection wasn't a little moronic.

10.Angelus  Jan 19 2007
"That was real"

Top 5 moment..hell, top 3 moment in all of the Buffyverse for me. I really loved this episode.

11.greyfable  Jan 19 2007
I had largely forgotten this episode when I was rewatching season five. I read the plot synopsis and thought I was going to really dislike it, because, I mean, buffy-sex-bot? As effectively as she's used later, I doubted I would like her introduction.

But, as it turns out, I really loved it. I agree that some of the characterizations seemed a little awkward, but they were easy to forgive. Because, off as they were, they were fun. And Spike -- letting himself get so beat up – gave the episode such a strong emotion core that, well, it could have done anything and I would forgive it.

That said: much as I loved the revelations of buffy's quest, it was a bit cheesy (they get points for ackowledging this, though, and with killer dialogue). And its very convenient that they only had to go to the desert just out of town. With the Watchers in England and the first Slayer created -- okay, can't remember, but I assume Africa -- Buffy is very lucky they her quest wasn't on a different continent.

12.Tranquillity  Feb 19 2007
"The same group that got together and unanimously agreed "robot" with the AprilBot is completely dumbfounded by the BuffyBot. That unfortunately reeks of poor writing, as much as I hate to say it."

Sorry, couldn't disagree more, this is far from poor writing - it's genius and the whole reason the episode is so funny! It's an ironic foil to "I was Made To Love You' and designed to lighten the heavy mood of the previous few episodes but at the same time moving the story forward in a powerful way.

13.mikejer  Feb 19 2007
So you're saying that just because the episode is funny that we should just ignore everyone acting OOC? Ummm... no. hehe. Sorry, but I don't follow you with that one.

14.Tranquillity  Mar 4 2007
No, its being ironic - not just funny for funnys sake. there is a difference. if they all accepted that bufftbot was a robot straight away then there wouldn't be a story. the only thing OOC any of them do is not recognise the BB for what it is. willow and xander react as you would expect and demonstrate all their usual character traits in this episode except for that one small thing. Not recognising the BB as a robot is merely symbolic of them feeling alienated from Buffy after she has gone through her mothers death - something they have no experience with. Correct me if i'm wrong but neither Tara or Dawn see the BB prior to her revelation as a robot (do they see her at all? i'll have to check) and they are the two people who know and understand what buffy is going through. I think it's a very clever episode but each to his own.

15.AeC  Mar 17 2007
No offense, Tranquillity, but that's a bit of an Alanisesque definition of "irony." :v)

16.Tranquillity  Apr 8 2007
Irony is a literary or rhetorical device, in which there is a gap or incongruity between what a speaker or a writer says, and what is generally understood. may also arise from a discordance between acts and results, especially if it is striking, and known to a later audience

I think it is used with great effect in Intervention.

17.mikejer  Apr 8 2007
Tranquillity, I think it's a very clever episode too, but I just can't overlook Willow's complete stupidity in not recognizing that the 'Buffy' talking to her wasn't really Buffy. It's just so painfully obvious that Buffy would never actually talk like that. I can buy that the Scoobies feel alienated from Buffy after Joyce's death and that it might take then a bit longer than usual to notice the odd behavior, but not this alienated. Willow is smarter than this.

18.Latoya  May 11 2007
I completely bought Willow not knowing the Buffybot wasn't Buffy. She didn't realize that it was Faith in Buffy's body in Who are You? even though she was acting very unBuffy.

19.Mez  Jun 30 2007
I think the Scoobies not realising about the Buffybot is very in character.

Just to take a few examples from their past:

They don't realise that Vamp Willow isn't Willow.
They don't realise that Buffy is actually Faith.
They don't realise that Willow and Cordy have been taken over by eggs.

These people are not known for their powers of observation.

20.mikejer  Jun 30 2007
Mez, please look at "I Was Made to Love You." Additionally, the thing that really bugged me is how nobody realized that the BuffyBot wasn't Buffy until the actual Buffy showed up. With how completely obvious the bot was behaving, especially in her talk to Willow, there's just no excuse for Willow not to put the very simple pieces together and realize something's clearly wrong like they just did three episodes ago with the AprilBot. That just boils down to poor writing, as much as you want to convince yourselves otherwise. Imo, naturally. ;)

21.LibMax  Aug 16 2007
If the proof that the Scoobies are acting out of character in their reactions to the Buffybot is the quick and unanimous conclusion that April is a robot in I Was Made To Love You, let's remember that April had demonstrated that she wasn't human by throwing Spike through a window and then throwing Buffy across a room, both without any apparent effort. It was only when April had demonstrated that she wasn't what she appeared to be that they decided she was a robot. The Buffybot looked exactly like Buffy and hadn't done anything that Buffy couldn't do. Plus all the Scoobies were half-expecting Buffy to start doing crazy stuff anyway, because of her loss. It boils down to people seeing what they expect to see, which is universal human nature and not any particular sign of stupidity.

22.Joan  Oct 18 2007
The Scoobies failure to recognize the Bot *is* overdrawn, but it serves two purposes. As others have said, it's necessary for the story to happen at all. If that were all, I'd agree with you that the stretchiness is a big price to pay for the comedy. But it also foreshadows season 6. They really don't know her. We have to ask how much they really care.

It's a cross-road episode. We get the fore-shadowing of how the Scoobies maybe are not the friends they are supposed to be. And Spike turns out to be 'real' in a way that they are not. (The way the episode plays of 'real' 'not real' is tremendous. Lots of things are switching up here.)

23.gabrielleabelle  Nov 13 2007
I also found it silly that Willow, at least, didn't realize something was wrong. But I can overlook that for the wonderful Spike stuff. I adore Spike's attitude, even when being tortured. The Bob Barker line makes me laugh every time.

And the end scene more than makes up for anything else in the episode for me (but that's just my subjective opinion. I'm a sucker for that sort of stuff).

24.buffyholic  Nov 27 2007
I agree with mike here. How Willow reacts to the Buffybot is really OOC, especially with the Angel line. She calls him (Angel) stupid and Willow should know better. That really bugs me too. Aside that, this is a really funny episode, mostly with Spike and the Buffybot.

25.elnino14  Dec 2 2007
I have to go along the lines that yes, it is a stretch that the Gang never figured out there was a Buffbot UNTIL Not-Robot-Buffy walked in the door. But I don't think they would have figured it out.

I think LibMx made a great point here that they recognized April-bot only after she did something that was completely well- out of the ordinary.

Is it completely unlike Buffy to be screwing Spike...well yeah...but it isn't anthing that she couldn't do, she did lose Riley just recently and she was acting all wonky there too Plus people do really crazy things when they are depressed. It could be easily explained that this is her attempt at escaping from all the responsibility thats practically THROWN on her.

I don't know, it's overdrawn I agree, especially since Buffy-bot's mannerism are overly cheery.

26.Plain Simple  Feb 28 2008
"Angel's lame. His hair sticks straight up and he's bloody stupid."

This line always cracks me up. :)

I do agree with you on the bad characterisation of the Scoobies. They even showed the scene where they all immediately recognised AprilBot as a robot in the 'previously on BtVS' segment and then they make them all look stupid in the episode itself. Perhaps it was meant as an extra joke, to show this scene in the 'previously on' part, but to me it started to get a bit ridiculous at the end. It did give us a hilarious episode though.

27.macuga  Aug 5 2008
I'm not sure why people are harping on the BuffyBot's "unrealistic" behavior.

"Buffy" is full of scenes where the characters over-act for dramatic/comic effect. For instance, when Willow is trying to get away with something, she often acts overly cutesy and protests too much--which in real life would only provoke immediate suspicion. But in "Buffy," it usually works, because it's dramatically convenient for her to be able to get away with it (for a while).

One example that comes to mind is "Doppelgangland," where Vampire Willow (pretending to be Willow) says "I'm... reading books. I... like books. 'Cuz... I'm shy." In real life, Cordelia would look at her incredulously, and ask, "WTF are you talking like that?" But in the episode, she is apparently fooled.

I see the BuffyBot in a similar vein. SMG over-acts her for comedic effect, and the characters don't notice because it's convenient for them not to.

28.HarFang  Aug 31 2008
I end up in stitches every time I watch this episode! It has that beautiful scene at the end, but on the whole it is very light-hearted, and we really need some relief from all the tragedies that make up the later part of the season. And even though I cringe for Buffy's sake at some of the things Spike does, the oddest thing is that the "gross and obscene" Buffybot affair still seems far healthier than most of what happens in season 6. In many regards (especially the conclusion), this episode really acts as a fast-track version of their "relationship" to come.
As for the Scoobies' lack of reaction to the Buffybot, I agree that it is rather disappointing, especially on Willow's part. I understand that the confusion serves a comedic purpose, but couldn't the team have come up with a better theory than Buffy's recent loss? Some kind of spell maybe (look at how she acted in Something Blue or Bewitched &c!)? Still, I tend to consider that Buffy's indignant accusation when she comes back acknowledges the flaw, and thus partly makes up for it.

29.Paula  Sep 4 2008
The logic problems with this episode aren't limited to the Scoobies' amazing inability to recognize Buffybot for a 'bot (or something else than the real deal, anyway) simply by its weirdo chipper behavior. I never can help wondering at Xander's lack of big reaction even just to Buffy suddenly patrolling again with Spike, who was recently found to have a dangerous obsession with her, deinvited from the Summers house, etc. etc. Also at Spike seeming totally unconcerned when it must have been glaringly obvious to him that after that graveyard encounter with Xander and Anya, there was no hope in hell Buffy wouldn't find out about Buffybot very soon.

However, I'm willing to overlook practically anything for the sake of all the priceless comedy this episode offers, and that final scene of absolute perfection on top of that.

I can just imagine the writing team going all "OK, so this script makes next to no sense, but it's way too much fun not to use". And they were right about that! :-)

30.Paula  Sep 6 2008
Additional thoughts, re: the final scene, after re-watching this episode last night...

Firstly, I suspect that when she came to the crypt pretending to be Buffybot (which role she had mastered very nicely, BTW), Buffy already had the idea that Spike might not have told Glory anything after all. First off, why else would he have been so badly beaten and trying to escape when they arrived? (I'd guess Xander's words about Spike being "so trashed" made her wonder.) Also, it doesn't seem to me like she brought a stake. So while she needed an honest answer to that question and was curious to hear the honest reason behind it too, it seems not to have come entirely as a surprise.

Secondly, that scene shows a very profound change in Buffy's attitude toward Spike in many ways. When she tells him that "The robot is gone. The robot was gross and obscene", she says something she might well have yelled at him in angry disgust before - but now, the words come in tones of patient reproach. She's not speaking to an "evil, disgusting thing", someone totally beyond redemption. Spike is now considered to someone who can be taught. Someone who may do stupid and disgusting things but is better than that.

And, hey, look at Spike's reaction. No "Hello! Vampire! I'm evil!" He's ashamed of himself, and as the following S5 episodes will show, Buffy treating him like a person instead of a thing will make him more and more human.

31.HarFang  Sep 6 2008
****! I lost a whole post here. A good, carefully laid-out post. ^^ I think it went like this:

That's a very good point, Paula! I am not sure that Spike needs to be *taught* the difference between right and wrong, though. He knows it already from his human days, but without a soul they just don't mean a thing to him (just as Anya is willing to be polite but really doesn't get the whole notion). So at first, Spike uses BUFFY as his moral compass, because he thinks it's the simplest way to reach his end (=please her, and more if possible). In Intervention he may know that the bot affair was wrong, but that is not why he's ashamed: it's more that he knows how hurt and humiliated Buffy is, and he can't bear the idea. Clearly this is better than nothing, and as habit sets in, Spike really seems to change -but with only an intellectual knowledge of morals, it is a lost cause.

32.Paula  Sep 7 2008
I am not sure that Spike needs to be *taught* the difference between right and wrong, though.

Well, I was talking about Buffy's attitude, not the actual question of moral compasses. I'd say that Spike knows *about* the difference between right and wrong but doesn't really understand it. As a soulless demon, that's pretty much beyond him. His whole idea about the morals of things is distant and second-hand.

(And as to Buffybot, I'm actually not very sure at all whether that's a moral issue. Having the Buffybot built and using it the way he did was certainly gross, unhealthy and pathetic, but morally wrong...? Come on, who was he harming? Unless you feel sorry for the 'bot or Warren, who I'm betting never got paid a dime?)

So at first, Spike uses BUFFY as his moral compass

Yes, and he takes this to impressive lengths, too. After all, even Buffy's death doesn't stop him acting like he figures Buffy would want him to (help her friends, protect Dawn, etc.), apparently simply to honor her memory. (How long this state of affairs might have lasted if Buffy had never been resurrected is actually a pretty interesting question.)

In addition to Spike wanting to please Buffy, though, I think there's another factor at work here – something that I was paying quite a lot of attention to before the being-in-love-with-Buffy thing became apparent, but which didn't disappear afterwards either. It's Spike's desire to be accepted in the gang. No, he doesn't think much of the Scoobies - but he doesn't like being an outsider or considered a freak, either. His integration in the group while Buffy is dead probably helps him considerably to keep doing the right thing, and the realization that he had been left out of the whole resurrection scheme (and the resentment this induces) in turn helps to alienate him also from sticking to the "straight and narrow path".

I gather it's also mainly the kindness and acceptance that Buffy rewards Spike with that he responds so well to, post-Intervention in S5. Much as his (un)life revolves around love/obsession/lust, I doubt even he ever mistook the kiss Buffy gave him for anything remotely romantic. ("I know you'll never love me. I know that I'm a monster. But you treat me like a man, and that's...") Carefully, firmly and consistently handled*, particularly by Buffy, even soulless Spike might have turned out amazingly good. Unfortunately, the back-from-the-dead Buffy in S6 is far from prepared to be careful and consistent with him, and things get further and further out of hand the way they do.

*Can't help but compare Spike to a captured and tamed wild animal. It's much the same thing with him, only he looks and acts human enough so it's easy to forget that he's not going to stay good unless the desired sort of behavior is continuously reinforced. The soul, of course, will make a huge difference here.

33.HarFang  Sep 7 2008
Having the Buffybot built and using it the way he did was certainly gross, unhealthy and pathetic, but morally wrong...? Come on, who was he harming?

I'd say that, even though Spike didn't physically hurt her, creating the bot was a very degrading way to treat Buffy herself, even by proxy. It was wrong in every respect, and that is what morals are about. The fact that there was no actual damage done (and the fact that the whole affair is treated as comedy) explains why Buffy doesn't enter the crypt intending to stake him, but still, I feel that my wording is valid.

34.Paula  Sep 8 2008
even though Spike didn't physically hurt her, creating the bot was a very degrading way to treat Buffy herself, even by proxy.

Yeah, well, it certainly wasn't healthy. The way I see things though, Buffy's reaction is certainly disgusted, but she's hardly taking any offence as such.* Also, Spike didn't intend her to know about the bot (although by letting her slip out on the graveyard and meet Xander and Anya, he pretty much blew it already).

*It's rather later that she comes to expect so much better from Spike that she'd take offence at his behavior, I think.

35.gabrielleabelle  Sep 8 2008
Hey Paula, HarFang,

Hope you don't mind me jumping in, but it's an interesting discussion that I had the good fortune to notice (I only sporadically check the comments). Regarding whether Spike having the Buffybot made was immoral or not, that's something I sat back and considered when I first saw the episode. I tentatively decided that, while it's inappropriate, I don't see it as being "immoral", in the strictest sense of the word.

Is it immoral for a person to masturbate while fantasizing of someone else? Or to do so while looking at a photograph of that person? What about having one's partner dress up as a movie star (Marilyn Monroe, say) for some sexual role-play? Is that immoral?

I think what Spike did (having a sexbot made in Buffy's image) crossed unbelievable social boundaries, and Buffy had every right to be disgusted with him (I had a stalker incident a while back and was horrified when I was told, by him, that he pleasured himself to photos of me). But I wouldn't call it immoral, at the end of the day. Because, like my stalker, Spike's actions didn't affect anybody but himself.

I actually do think that Spike was ashamed of the sexbot. He hid it from the Scoobies, even to the point of lying to Xander's face when confronted about it. He recognized it was inappropriate, at some level. But, with his soulless status, he didn't care (as he'd pretty much given up hope of getting the "real" Buffy at that point so he was settling for what he could get).

Er...feel free to ignore me since I just kinda butted in. Carry on. I agree with both of you for the most part. Just chiming in with some extra thoughts.

36.Paula  Sep 8 2008
Gabrielleabelle, I absolutely welcome your input, or anybody else's for that matter - we're not exactly having a private conversation here. :-)

I agree with you just about 100%. I too think that BuffyBot was inappropriate although not necessarily immoral, and that Spike knew this all right.

At least some good and respectable uses were found for the bot afterwards. :-) The Spike/Willow/Buffybot scene in Bargaining puts a lump in my throat, every time.

37.Lacie  Oct 4 2008
Omg this episodes SO deserves better than an 85! I really really liked this episode - it was just so intense.
When we think of Spike and this whole Buffybot thing, I mean maybe it was kind of immoral, but even humans are immoral and someone like Spike, without a soul but with that sexual obsession(and love, too) with Buffy and his desperation it does make sense that he wouldn't hesitate, at least at first.

38.bigmoneygrip  Nov 18 2008
I agree with the earlier comment by Plain Simple that the line about Angel's hair standing straight up and he's bloody stupid - so funny! Something Spike told Warren to slip in to the Buffybot's programming?


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